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The road bond projects under consideration would require up to $400 million of contracted debt to issue general obligation capital improvement bonds to fund the costs for acquisition, design, construction and improvements.

Presentation to the Board of County Supervisors - May 7, 2019

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Creates an internal parallel route to I-95 and Route 1 between Dale Boulevard and Route 234

Description: 4-lane extension of Van Buren Road between Route 234 and Cardinal Drive. Includes bike/ped facilities. Total project length of 2.7 miles.

Approximate Project Cost: $70,000,000

Project Duration: 4 to 6 years

Existing Funding: None. Eligible for other funding.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

The 4-lane Van Buren Road extension will become a major short cut between Cardinal Drive and Dale Blvd, and Rte 234 and I-95. It will create a HUGE traffic bottle neck at the intersection between Van Buren Road and Rte 234. This intersection is already a rush hour bottle neck that will be made much, much worse by the proposed Van Buren Road extension. A traffic impact study must be done before proceeding.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

She probably posts several times because she's a mom and we are used to repeating ourselves with the same logic over and over, yet her message is not received by the "me first" crowd.

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

William and Gretchen - any relation to Mike May, former Prince William County Supervisor?

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Dennis Sprouse 4 months ago

The original county planning map and the developers map differ. The “nature path” used by four seasons for over 15 years was part of the development and maintained by four seasons the entire time. Did the county allow the developer to pave private property? Also, if the owner did not object to us using the land for this period did he give up the rights to stop it? The original county long range plan avoided the nature trail altogether, which would impact housing less and resolve dome of our biggest concerns.

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Patty Linso 4 months ago

I am opposed to building the extension of Van Buren Road. According to the County website, the top priority for investment for recreation facilities based on the priority investment rating is walking and bike trails. The second highest priority is wildlife.
Why would the board let a developer build a new road that will destroy the walking at Four Seasons and obliterate the forest between I-95 and Four Seasons that is the habitat of coyotes, foxes, wild turkeys, deer, raccoons, rabbits, squirrels and many bird species? And then spend more money to build other walking trails and to protect other wild life habitats. This makes no sense.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Because it's something that needs to get done.

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Arthur Pedersen 4 months ago

Funny Patty Linso. I'd say developers destroyed the habitats of the wildlife you list when the build your Four Seasons development, as well as all of the development along Cardinal Drive and the Ashland development off of 234. If you want wild life habitats, move to southwest Virginia or West Virginia. The single most important projects that need to be achieved are easing traffic congestion in Prince William County. Part of achieving that goal will be building the Van Buren extension.

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Joe Puleo 4 months ago

I agree with Mr May. Already a huge bottle neck during rush hr. Major environmental impact and quality of life issue for Four Seasons at Historic VA. NOT cost effective!

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

This is an ongoing issue with Montclair, although I understand your concerns, Waterway wasn’t intended for the amount of traffic it currently holds. These plans were agreed upon when the overdevelopment of the area.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Thomas Starai 4 months ago

I agree, Stephanie. This project is needed. I see it as a slight impact to Four Seasons but a major benefit for the surrounding communities with much greater numbers.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Exactly, Thomas. Let's remember that Four Seasons is 800 houses, many of which are owned by those at or close to retirement, and none of whom have children. Among the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us, including the 18,000 residents need those roads built. At the very least, to those roads are necessary get people to work and school.

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Arthur Pedersen 4 months ago

The effect on Four Seasons would be nominal, and it would benefit all of the other residents of the area that either trek across to Waterway Drive, or battle traffic on Route 1 or Minnieville Road. This has been a needed improvement long before Four Seasons was built, and the fact the development is adjacent to the potential roadway isn't a reason to stop a badly needed project to relieve congestion.

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James West 4 months ago

Thousands of people who can't get out of their driveway? Really?

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Robert Hargett 4 months ago

I request that the Board consider a potential negative impact to all county residents when any size commercial vehicle that is operating with mechanical safety issues, or is over weight, or the driver is over the limit on hours behind the wheel uses Waze to identify a way to bypass the truck scales on I95. The hazardous truck traffic from I95 onto Dale Blvd, Benitas Fitzgerald (past the elementary school), Van Buren Road and 234 to I95 will increase exponentially. Even cars and trucks operating within the law will want to take advantage of this route to bypass as much I95 traffic as possible. I request that the Board think long and hard about including this project in the bond proposal. The long term down side to this project far outweighs the near term convenience of creating a short cut from Dale Blvd to 234.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

This is an ongoing issue with Montclair, although I understand your concerns, Waterway wasn’t intended for the amount of traffic it currently holds. These plans were agreed upon when the overdevelopment of the area. And they’re currently passing 2 elementary schools now.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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James West 4 months ago

Stephanie, Montclair was initially developed as a gated community. When the residents voted to eliminate the gated community in favor of an open community they gained the advantage of state maintenance of the roads. When the state maintains the road, everyone is entitled to use the roads. The cut through traffic you get is the price you pay for state maintenance of your roads.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

Montclair does get cut thru traffic but do you have 10 lanes of traffic going thru there. Does anyone in the county have 10 lanes of traffic adjacent to their development?Eighteen wheelers with air brakes, motorcycles speeding over 70mph. Think about it! This is insane to compare to Montclair cut through traffic. Chop down the trees, we get Increased sound and open our community to the criminal element that travels 95. We have already had some of those elements enter through the truck scales. A bike trail, Really! SAVE those trees instead!

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

So are you really trying to imply that there's a "criminal element that travels 95" that is waiting for easy access to Four Seasons so they can invade your space?

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Dennis Sprouse 4 months ago

Serious consideration should be given to who will bear the cost of erecting the inevitable sound wall for the development once the trees are removed and the road completed. If I remember correctly the noise level from I-95 was marginally below the acceptable limit 13 years ago. A new study could not be done prior to completion which would result in PWC footing that bill unless it is required from the developer during approval process.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

Like others have asked, why do you post the same thing several times. It was nonsense the first time and that did not change with additional posting.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Hey William, why do you post that question multiple times?

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

Dennis, We at Four Seasons were told the County was unlikely to build a sound wall. If the road is federally funded we could possibly get the wall.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

You only think Stephanie's post is nonsense because it doesn't support your point of view.

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Gaston Gianni 4 months ago

This project will result in a lower quality of life for the Four Seasons Active Adult Community as well as other communities in its path. The increased truck traffic along with the corresponding noise level increase must be considered in deciding if the project is a benefit. Others have raised the increased volume at an already crowded 234 intersection as well as trucks trying to avoid the truck scales. It seems that the benefits of this project needs to be revisited in light of all the approved residential development that has occurred since the project was originally included in Prince Williams Comprehensive Transportation Plan.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Also the Van Buren road extension would cut our nature trail in half thus eliminating our relaxing enjoyment of nature.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

You've got Prince William Forest Park right across the road: all the nature you could ever want! Plus, that Van Buren extension was agreed and approved IN EXCHANGE for building Four Seasons. You go your retirement community; the rest of the county deserves the road. As a community of 800 additional homes, your community is one of many new neighborhoods that are affecting the infrastructure here. you can't have all these houses going up without putting new roads in. Montclair has been here for decades longer than all of the surrounding neighborhoods and it's time to get that extension put in that was part of the agreement for Four Seasons' existence.

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sheila baker 4 months ago

I strongly object to this project. The additional traffic (cars & trucks), would increase air pollution and noise. Four Seasons is a retirement community that is surrounded by nature and trails. These would be destroyed. We have started to get wildlife and they would disappear. When I bought my home, in Prince William County, in this neighborhood, it was because of the trees and trails. This project would change the nature of our community and noise and traffic would be unbearable.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Richard Underwood 4 months ago

Please deny or do not fund this project. It will become a bypass for overweight trucks to avoid the scales. They cannot be be excluded from this road since the lower section is proposed to contain commercial warehouses served by large trucks. Both ends of this project at Cardinal and Rt 234 are residential and will be damaged by noise and vehicle congestion.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Richard Underwood 4 months ago

You are correct. The proffer for 4 seasons requires us to grant a road to a developer who needs access to his landlocked property from the south side across 4 seasons property. It is even called VAn Buren Rd!! HOWEVER, this county bond effort seeks to provide funds to build Van Buren Rd past his property to Cardinal , thus changing the concept from property access to through passage. We oppose the county funding VAn Buren RD on the north side of his property and thus providing a cut through for more traffic.

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Jack Wagner 4 months ago

After learning of this proposed project, we went to the clubhouse to see the posted site map. It clearly shows this will start at the property next door (17419 Four Seasons Dr.) to us. There must be another solution to this without putting a four lane road in our backyard. We bought here in 2003 and moved into our home in Feb. 2004. When we were purchasing our home in Section 3 NO ONE advised us that this would be the future of our property. If we had been told that in 15 years the county would consider a proposal to build a road in our backyard we would never have considered buying in this development. We, along with many others paid a premium of an extra $15,000 to back up to the woods. When doing so we were assured no one could build behind us, let alone the county might build a four lane road behind us. We have been willing to spend time and money to make the area behind us look nice. We are not the only homeowners that have had to do this. We pay BIO GREEN to seed, fertilize and take care of the property even though it is not our responsibility. We pay to have this area mowed along with our lawn to enhance the property.We have willingly done this because it is our home and we have to look at it. Through the years family, friends and guests have commented about it and said it is nice to see a development that has left trees and made it a lovely place to live. We have put a lot of time and money into making our home better and more valuable than when we bought it from the developer. If you build this highway behind us and the others in this neighborhood affected by this plan, then you will devalue what we have worked to do and spent our money on. It appears that this proposed plan has one purpose to benefit a developer and let him build warehouses which serve no benefit to the our community as well as allowing trucks to easily bypass the weigh station on 95. Route 234 has more and more trucks that do this now and it is has become a dangerous road to travel. When leaving Four Seasons at the light on 234 one must wait to see if the big trucks will even stop. They run the light all the time going above the posted speed limit. They don't even pretend to slow down.
This is our home and we planned to stay here for many more years. It will be very difficult to sell this property to anyone else. We have an abundance of wildlife that live in the trees behind us. We lost a lot of wildlife we used to see when CopperMill was started. They too will be affected by this plan.
The other concern is that this is supposed to be a private gated community. This proposed plan will make it wide open to anyone that wants to come in here from that road. I would hope that there is another way to solve the overcrowding on 95S instead of destroying the peace and tranquility of our neighborhood and property. It is so much better now that there are other places to get off of 95S. Even with the barrier of the trees we hear the trucks on 95 and 234. Imagine what it will be like with a major bypass in out backyard. Jack and Victoria Wagner

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Thomas Starai 4 months ago

I understand the bypass was a development proffer and was known and disclosed. It is long overdue.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

It does not make them RIGHT! Luckily they don't do proffers anymore. Oh, How many 18 wheelers speed thru Montclair? Awe there is a sign No Thru Trucks, can we do that on Van Buren???

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

As the rest of the county and thousands of commuters suffer, do you expect sympathy because you maintained property that isn't yours and didn't do your homework when you purchased your home? "Well, we really would have liked to get home 40 minutes sooner, but the Wagners have that beautiful BIO GREEN lawn behind their house. We wouldn't want to mess that up for them."

The proposed road was part of the dedication of Four Seasons and was part of the Dedication before your house was even built. Of course no one would inform (not advise) you that this would be the future of your property, or you wouldn't have purchased it. This is why it is the responsibility of a purchaser to find out what the lots are adjacent to their land, who owns them, what the zoning is, and what may be in the plans/works already. There was a house I wanted to buy in another area, and that house backed to woods -- but I did my research and I'm glad I didn't buy, because now there are retail stores behind it. Caveat emptor.

More houses leads to the need of more roads. YOUR home and those surrounding it are the REASON this road is necessary! You'll get no sympathy from the rest of the County for wanting to have your cake and eat it too. The developer charged you the additional $15,000 to back up to woods, and didn't tell you that he also promised a road behind your house; don't use the developer's lack of disclosure as a reason any of us owe you anything. Were you really assured no one would build behind you, or just that no houses would be built behind you? Were you even assured of anything at all? Do you have a written document?

It's nice that you paid to maintain the area behind you, but please understand you did not have to do that. You chose to put your time, money, and energy into maintaining a property that does not belong to you. Again, no one owes you anything for what you willingly chose to do.

You are worried about the trucks on 234 and whether they'll stop or not, but if the VB road extension is approved, then they won't be on 234 so you won't have to worry about whether or not they're going to stop at the light.

Four Seasons is a lovely community with many great activities for its residents, and I have enjoyed them as a guest on numerous occasions. You will not have any trouble selling your home when the time comes. If you're overly concerned, then when this project gets approved and funded, put your house up for sale right away before construction starts, and don't "advise" the new owners that the road is going up, just as you were not "advised" of its plans when you purchased the home.

The wildlife is, of course, a concern, but that is why we have a protected forest on the other side of 234.

Again, there is literally no other solution at this time, and this extension was something that was planned and funded as part of the Four Seasons development. I'm not sorry you didn't do your homework, and the small number of affected homes is not even a speck on the radar compared to the large number of commuters affected by something like 800 houses being built at Four Seasons with no additional road access.

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Gerald Clapham 4 months ago

The County Board of Supervisor should exclude the Van Buren project from the Mobility Bond Referendum for 5 reasons: • Traffic • Safety • Noise/Pollution • Environment Impact • Cost Traffic – Every evening rush hour the traffic is backed up from Fortuna Plaza to I-95. This situation will only get worse with the extension of Van Buren. If this expansion is to provide an alternative to I-95 the congestion on Dale Boulevard and Benita Fitzgerald will also increase and those neighborhoods will be impacted. In addition, it appears that the commercial truckers have found that Rt. 234 makes for a good cut through between I-66 to I-95 both east and west bound. This will also become a bigger issue as truck traffic will increase with the planned warehouses on Van Buren. This will also affect all of 234 not just here in the Potomac district.
Safety – Of course with the increase of traffic, safety will be compromised. More importantly the extensions will give commercial vehicles who are not operating safely or overweight the opportunity to avoid the truck scales on I-95. Noise/Pollution- Since we moved into Four Seasons seven year ago, the highway noise from I-95 and 234 has noticeably increased. With increased traffic and the removal of natural sound barriers this will make Four Seasons and other residential areas from Dale Boulevard to 234 very noisy. Environment Impact- The wooded area that will be affected by this project is home to a number of wildlife species including deer, foxes, turkeys, osprey and others. One of the top priorities of the Park Bond Referendum is Wildlife and Natural Habitat. By not approving this project there will be $70 million to fund these efforts. Cost – $70 million plus the interest incurred on the debt makes this a very expensive project. I am not sure if these estimates include the cost of extensive noise abatement sound barriers through the neighborhoods from Dale Boulevard to 234.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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James West 4 months ago

The afternoon traffic also backs up from I-95 to Waterway going northbound. You are using fallacious reasoning. Traffic going south on Van Buren will greatly increase the delay on Rt 234 at the traffic light at Van Buren and Rt 234. Those using the new extension of Van Buren will need time to get through that light causing more backups on Rt 234 Southbound. Add in the traffic from the new church and shopping center planned on 234 and you have a nightmare.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

What modeling software did you use to draw this conclusion?

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Barbara Binney 4 months ago

I agree with my Four Seasons Neighbors. We moved here in 2004 and purchased our lot because it did back up to the woods. They have covered all the relevant issues and concerns for the Van Buren Road Project. Please remove this project from the Mobility Bond Referendum.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Hey Stephanie - why do you post your thoughts multiple times?

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Fran DuRocher 4 months ago

I certainly agree with all of the remarks expressed here opposing the Van Buren Road Project. The issues of traffic, both cars as well as trucks including those trying to bypass the scales in the weigh station, the concerns of safety, cost, impact in the various residential areas including Four Seasons should preclude this not only from this upcoming Bond issue.

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Myrna Levinstein 4 months ago

comment...People who buy homes next to industrial use land pay a lot less for their homes. Municipalities zone to keep residential areas away from industrial areas. This maintains home values and keeps tax revenues high. Putting in warehouses and bypass roads next to lovely pristine communities is a betrayal of the citizens the Board was elected to protect.

Putting in a four lane road to benefit one person, and damaging hundreds of citizens in the process, is wrong.

The wooded area between the interstate and the residential developments barely diminishes the noise and pollution coming from the cars on the highway. Cutting down the existing trees that provide a buffer is unconscionable. When the Copper Mill development and the Lidls were built, every tree and all vegetation was stripped from the properties, leaving Four Seasons exposed to the noise and pollution emanating from the cars on Route 234.

Cutting down the trees and ripping up the plants will exacerbate the air pollution that already leaves a black film all over the houses.

The safety of the residents of the affected communities will be jeopardized as easy access to the gated communities will make a joke of the existing security measures.

Thousands of animals will be killed. Foxes, wild turkeys, scarlet tanagers, luna moths, raccoons, turtles, possums, wood chucks, skunks, deer, frogs and thousands more will be again pushed out of land they have occupied for centuries. When the Lidl's and the Copper Mill development on 234 were built, residents were forced to see starving foxes running through Four Seasons desperate for food because the Board decided to destroy their habitat. Why? Because Aldis, Walmart, Shoppers, Target, and 2 Food Lions within two miles of each other weren't enough supermarkets. The county struggles to provide services for its existing citizens, but the Board never votes against another housing development. Even when the citizenry doesn't want it. And more people means more roads. I think this is very suspicious on the part of the members of the Board. Why do they always vote against the citizens who elect them and pay their salaries? What do they personally get for their betrayal?

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Nancy Buttersworth, Retired Teacher 4 months ago

"Thousands of animals will be killed." Really?

And you said it yourself: More people means more roads.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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Sandra Thiedeman 4 months ago

I fully support this project, this was supposed to be done when the Housing Development was built at Cardinal Grove. This project will ease a lot of traffic backup/congestion up on Route 1, also lessen the cut through traffic on Waterway and even Minnieville, this new section of road will give travelers another option to get from point a to point b. As we continue to develop and grow as a county we also need to continue to develop our road structure. This is a much needed project that the Housing Developer of Cardinal Grove failed to complete as he had promised.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

I stand in full support of this project. The Van Buren extension was part of the original plans for Cardinal Grove and was already approved in those plans. The developer made an excuse that they weren't aware of the variable grade and didn't have the funds to complete the extension, and that's unacceptable. The extension needs to be complete as originally planned or those houses never should have been built. Even the most amateur of surveyors would have foreseen the grading work necessary, and it's time to complete the planned extension. It's ridiculous the project has taken this long. Waterway Drive and Spriggs Road bear a large amount of traffic and opening up Van Buren will ease the flow on those two roads as well as 234 and keep traffic moving. Cooper Mill will bring more houses and more people, and we need more roads.

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John Deller 4 months ago

Ms. Welch, there are at least 9 parcels owned by 6 different parties along the proposed route of Van Buren Rd from Rt 234 to Cardinal Dr. Exactly how was the developer of Cardinal Grove responsible for completing the extension. Credibility?

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

The cut-through traffic already exists on every road from RT 1, to Waterway, to Spriggs, and that this will help relive traffic for thousands who currently can’t even leave their driveway without being affected. Additionally - Montclair has burden of all new subdivisions since then as well - still with no additional north/south travel road.

Lastly- please look at pages B-2 and B-6 of the document from the planning phases of Four Seasons. This extension was dedicated and planned prior to Four Seasons Development. Van Buren Right of Way Dedication - "The amended proffers and master zoning plan maintain the dedication of a 128' future right of way for construction of Van Buren Road" . (So these were agreements made "in exchange" for approval of development of Four Seasons and therefore should be honored.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

I'll dig up the documents later, Mr. Deller, but for now I'm copy/pasting from another response below from Ms. Burgess: For reference of the proffers from Four Seasons development one can search: RE: PRA #PLN2005-00166, Four Seasons at Historic Virginia Proffer Amendment Dumfries Magisterial District.

I have screen captures that I'll post somewhere that I can link. I know it would overjoy you if this was all made up, but the agreement is documented, and the Van Buren Extension was part of the agreement for Four Seasons to even exist.

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Richard Wagner 4 months ago

I write to oppose the Van Buren Road project. While I write as a new resident of Four Seasons, I write equally as much as a long-standing Professor of Economics at George Mason University who has addressed these types of issues in his teaching and research. Since I am unable to attend tonight’s meeting, I am submitting my comments and reactions in this manner.

I should like to start by distinguishing among three sets of concerns in this controversy. I label these “County,” “Developer,” and “Four Seasons,” and examine each concern in turn.

The County seeks to reduce congestion in a particularly congested part of the county. It is easy to think that more roads are the answer to congestion. In some circumstances they are, but in some cases more roads actually worsen congestion. This happens because people change their driving patterns to use the new roads, and the attraction of the added traffic ends up worsening congestion.

The Van Buren Road project is a good candidate for increased congestion because it concentrates congestion rather than dispersing it. The Project would funnel traffic into what is already a particularly congested part of the county’s road system. Traffic on I95, US1, and 234 would converge on a tiny area, which is an almost assured recipe for increasing and not decreasing congestion.

It’s understandable that the Developer would want the road built and is even willing to make some contribution to the cost of building roads. The project would enable him to convert vacant land into warehouses.

It’s equally understandable that residents of Four Seasons would oppose the Van Buren Road project. There are many forms of cost the Project would impose on residents of Four Seasons. Chief among these costs are increased noise and added congestion that residents will experience in traveling between their residences and their destinations. The Project would also destroy a nature trail along with such wildlife as deer, wild turkeys, and hawks that I have often seen during my short time residing here.

One natural way an economist considers such costs is to consider how these costs reduce property values. According to Zillow.com, houses in Four Seasons are valued around $450,000. For illustrative purposes only (as I have done no investigation into the topic), suppose the Van Buren Road project reduces house values in Four Seasons by an average of five percent, which would average $22,500 per house. With 801 houses in Four Seasons, total property values would fall by nearly $18 million.

Hence, the Van Buren Road project would impose significant losses to the residents of Four Seasons in exchange for adding some warehouse space along with contributing increased traffic congestion to an already terribly congested area.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Those of us who make maps and model traffic flow would disagree with that assessment, but I understand your stance as it best benefits your personal agenda. To put it into layman terms that everyone can understand:

More Houses --> More people --> greater need for more roads, to include the one originally planned by the developer of Cardinal Grove.

Additionally, property values are rising everywhere. And eventually they'll universally fall. Speculation on actual drop in value is just that: It's speculation. If there is a drop, there's no way to tell what percentage of rise or drop, or how many homes would be affected. I sincerely doubt all 801 homes would be affected, so while your "math" may seem alarming, I can make up a whole bunch of numbers too to illustrate a speculative counterpoint.

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Further, yet also speculative as Joellen points out, other home values may rise due to the extension as they'd have better access to their new homes along 234, Van Buren (south side of 234). Also, I can affirm that not all 801 units would be affected by the extension from a market value standpoint - likely only those in close proximity - external/economic obsolescence due to impact of view and/or noise. Yet if again looking at full picture others in same neighborhood may gain due to better access/infrastructure. Also, I'm pretty certain this extension would not go through Four Seasons but adjacent to. That's a superior condition than the current through traffic of Montclair. We'd be on board w/ "adjacent to" in all likelihood. I think mitigating the impact of Four Season would and should be part of the plan.

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James Cech 4 months ago

My recommends to meet the long outstand needs of Montclair and the current concerns of Four Seasons, and not pit the two communities against each other, are below. The two Boards should talk and try to create a mutual understand and position to the County Board of Supervisors.

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James Cech 4 months ago

Found below.

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Anthony Stadie 4 months ago

I agree with the comments provided by my Four Seasons neighbors and oppose the approval of the Van Buren Road extension. The increase in traffic, noise pollution and environmental impact should be reason enough to deny funding for this project.

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Sandra Thiedeman 4 months ago

Meanwhile Waterway, Spriggs, Route 1 and Minnieville should put up with it. As we expand our county and keep building, we NEED the roads to support this.

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

Traffic, noise pollution, and environmental impact? Welcome to Northern Virginia.

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Colleen Pimentel 4 months ago

Please approve the Van Buren road extension. This was a project that was supposed to have been completed years ago and will relieve a lot of congestion on other roads. With more houses coming in by Beau Ridge Estates, Copper Mill off 234, and Cardinal Grove - just to mention three new developments, there will be more traffic on the existing roads - which are already crowded. With these new projects and new houses, more roads are needed. This is an extension that needs to be done now.

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Stephanie Eversley 4 months ago

I fully support the Van Buren bypass. This is an ongoing issue with Montclair, although I understand all of the concerns, Waterway wasn’t intended for the amount of traffic it currently holds. The amount of schools, kids riding bikes we cannot continue to have more cut through traffic on waterway. These plans were agreed upon when the overdevelopment of the area. And our representatives have failed us and not held the developers to their promises. BUILD THE ROAD!!

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Bonnie Earle 4 months ago

While I understand the residents of the Four Seasons' concerns (and understandably so), there should be a better alternative to tearing apart their neighborhood, just as there should be a better alternative to destroying Waterway Dr. Those coming off I-95 onto I-1, onto Cardinal and 234 should have a better direct route. Why tear up neighborhoods and instead why not utilize Minnieville Road more effectively? Or why not add more lanes to I-95 (that are NOT HOV lanes), or better yet - why not stop building in this part of PWC?!

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Thomas Starai 4 months ago

The proposed extension is more cost effective. We need it now and the alternatives you suggest could not happen in any economic climate.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

There is no alternative. The Van Buren Extension was part of the agreement for Four Seasons to even be built. We can't sacrifice traffic flow relief for the sake of 800 homes which a) are part of the problem, and b) wouldn't exist except that construction of the Van Buren Extension was a condition of Four Seasons even being built.

I-95 and TransUrban have an agreement to NOT add any more lanes to 95, unfortunately and TransUrban has a lot more money to sue PWC for reneging on their agreement than... PWC has to just uphold the agreement and dedication =already=in=place= to get Van Buren extended. Also, good luck encouraging commuters to utilize Minnieville more effectively. They don't care about the neighborhoods; they care about getting to/from work.

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Bonnie Earle 4 months ago

Tom, how could not building in this part of PWC be not be cost-effective? Or widen Minnieville to more lanes? Or triple lanes on Rt. 1? I understand the initial agreement (which seems to've fallen by the wayside), but what if it's not heeded? I'm concerned about the Four Seasons' property values, which will trickle down into our neighborhood as traffic increases even more. Rt. 1 is HORRIBLY constructed. If houses will continue to be built, we need more than just four lanes running through Four Seasons.

"...could not happen in any economic climate." Really? I highly doubt that.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

"Our property values" is a speculative argument that everyone uses to support their stance, no matter which side they're on. Our property values will suffer if people cannot get into and out of the neighborhood. Our property values will suffer if traffic is really terrible and there's no flow-through. See what I did there?

And no matter how much we fight it and kick the can down the road, the "second beltway" (which I am against, but it does benefit the entire southwestern DC metro area) will also likely happen. This is just a part of all the growth we've had here. I would have liked to see fewer housing developments go up, but they're up. We. Need. The. Infrastructure. Right here. Not Route 1, but on the west side of I-95 between 95 and Spriggs. Run any modeling and simulation software and that is literally the only solution. For Montclair, for Four Seasons, for Brittany, for Stockbridge, for Coopers Mill, and many others.

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Arthur Pedersen 4 months ago

That statement has to be repeated. Adding lanes to I-95 is not an option, due the contract between the state and Transurban. Nothing can be done to ease I-95 traffic without Transurban's approval. Hence the only way to ease traffic is to build roads like the Van Buren Extension. This is a must!

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Mark Scheufler 4 months ago

Instead of this project, I would recommend adding funding for VRE capital improvements ($20M) and Omniride bus purchases ($20M) and $30M to support Route 1 improvements (widening/ Bus Rapid Transit)

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Alternatives are not what's on the table, and presenting alternatives this late in the game only detracts from the actual discussion.

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Bonnie Earle 4 months ago

It's only too late after construction has begun.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

But this is not what is up for discussion in this forum. The question is, "should Van Buren be extended or not?", not "what alternatives do we have?"

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I fully support the extension of Van Buren and urge PWC to connect Cardinal Drive and Route 234. This Van Buren extension has been part of the PWC Master Plan for decades. Approval of the Four Seasons neighborhood development included proffers and agreement for a dedicated easement for this extension as well as funds to be held in escrow for the Van Buren extension and for the intersection with Route 234. As a result of substantial development in eastern PWC over the past 20 years, including numerous new neighborhoods along Rt 234 and Cardinal Drive, including Four Seasons, with no extension, the cut through traffic through Montclair, on Waterway Drive is a safety concern and nuisance. Montclair neighborhood has 3800+ housing units and only the one main neighborhood road, from which all homes are accessed (off of Waterway). It was designed as a neighborhood access road not the thoroughfare it has become. Waterway has become a cut through for non residents. The road is / was not designed as a thoroughfare, there are two elementary schools on Waterway Drive, and numerous neighborhood intersections and crosswalks. Waterway has substantial daily traffic back ups and speeding cars which have only increased relative to increased development and population. Given the plan for the extension was approved back in 2006, with the Four Seasons developer submitting plans in 1999, it is overdue for PWC to diffuse the traffic and share that burden with other neighborhoods and pursuant the approved Comprehensive Plan. For reference of the proffers from Four Seasons development one can search: RE: PRA #PLN2005-00166, Four Seasons at Historic Virginia Proffer Amendment Dumfries Magisterial District. Please respect our community and reduce the through traffic through our neighborhood as we have waited many years while approvals of newer projects have since been planned and completed. Thank you for considering the concerns of many if not most of our 12,000+ neighborhood residents.

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Gerald Clapham 4 months ago

Will this project actually reduce the traffic on Waterway? Please hear me out. Since the construction of Lidi the traffic on 234 from I-95 has increased to the point that getting out of the Four Season's subdivision's only outlet has become an nightmare. With the extension of Van Buren the traffic at this point will get even worse and the cut through may not provide any real relief and people who live west of Montclair will still use Waterway as a cut through.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

According to my GIS models, yes. This project will actually reduce traffic on Waterway, 234, Spriggs, and on some simulations, Route 1. There was no impact on Four Seasons traffic flow, other than 234 having increased flow, which makes it easier to get into and out of Four Seasons. I don't need my fancy degree to help you understand that with everything moving, everyone moves.

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Gerald Clapham 4 months ago

I am sorry. Not everything is moving. It has been increasingly harder for us to get out of Four Seasons do to the increase traffic and sometimes even grid lock at the only exit point for our subdivision. This project according to your GIS model 234 will have even more traffic on it. It does not increase the flow of traffic.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Gerald, did you break into my house and use my modeling software, because that is not how it works. Nice try, though. I guess it's easy to argue a point if you're just going to say what you want to support your desires.

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Diane Daly 4 months ago

I fully support the Van Buren extension to 234. With the addition of developments, including Four Seasons, additional roads are required. It’s a fact, and ‘not in my yard’ isn’t a valid reason to allow infrastructure expansion to accommodate crowded roads due to new developments. Building this extension has been part of the plans upon which new developments were approved. It’s high past time to move forward with approved plans for the Van Buren extension.

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Thomas Starai 4 months ago

I support the extension. A far greater number of citizens benefit.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Like hundreds of thousands versus the 800 homes that likely house less than 2,000 citizens.

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John Deller 4 months ago

Ms. Stephanie Eversley, the Proffers and Master Zoning and Land Use Plan for Four Seasons were an agreement between the Developer and PWC, solely based on profit. The rights of the future homeowners were not a consideration. Agreements can always be changed.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

The "rights" of future homeowners? Unless they own the plots of land where these roads are planned, they don't have "rights" on property they don't own. Prospective homeowners are behooved to do their due diligence and check the ownership and zoning of big empty plots of land surrounding their community.

It appears that a great deal of land between Four Seasons and I-95 belongs to Eagles Pointe with an easement already set for Van Buren Road. Continuing down the line, the next parcel belongs to Atlantic Funding. I'm not sure who they are or what they'd want to do with the land. South of those are two large plots owned by Southgate Business Center, and they've already got an established shapefile for a street. If I were to buy a house on the east side of Four Seasons, I wouldn't be thinking, "These are my woods!" I'd be thinking, "who owns that property and what do they plan to do with it?"

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Donna FAGERHOLM 4 months ago

I strongly support the extension. It is long overdue. As a result of increased development, with no accompanying road building for the increased traffic, Montclair has become cut in two by Waterway which has essentially become the 234 connector. The project does not cut up a neighborhood of houses as the current traffic situation does. It is time to spread out the traffic and let those in neighborhoods built after Montclair, when this plan was in place, share part of the load.

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Donna BurkeFonda 4 months ago

I stand in full support of this project. The Van Buren extension is part of the PWC master plan. Waterway Drive and Spriggs Road bear a large amount of traffic and opening up Van Buren will ease the flow on those two roads as well as 234 and keep traffic moving. Cooper Mill will bring more houses and more people, and we need more roads.

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Jason Korzen 4 months ago

I also support this project. Traffic isn't getting any better, and we need more roads to help alleviate. I hope the construction can be done to cause the least disturbance to the Four Seasons neighborhood. But the supervisors need to take care of the larger population and not be derailed by the smaller number of NIMBYs.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

The Van Buren road extension will make an already bad intersection (Van Buren and 234) much much worse. Just look at the back up during morning rush hour. Adding more traffic will create a backup just as bad as the I-95 exit to Old Bridge Road. Poor planning on PWC's part.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

Well Jason, if your property backs up to 10 lanes of traffic you may think differently. A sound barrier in this proposal would be very helpful. As I have said who else in this county is adjacent to the impact of 6 lanes of I 95 traffic and 4 lanes of this new road? All 6 lanes of I 95 carry speeding traffic 70-80 mph on trucks and speeding motorcycles. Please don't forget the trucker's LOUD brakes. I hope Van Buren would be posted lower but we all know how that works!

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Arthur Pedersen 4 months ago

I stand in strong support of this project. As a resident of eastern PWC for 25 years, the Van Buren extension is long overdue.

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Nancy Therriault 4 months ago

I strongly agree with the extension. I have lived in Montclair for 16 years and have seen the drastic changes due to the extensive development of this are. Why do the people of Four Season feel they should not share some of the over development of PWC. Montclair also has a significant amount of historic land. The community was developed in the 70’s with no intention of being a cut through to 234. With no disrespect to the people of Four Seasons it’s time you look at the big picture and not feel you are above the rest of us. Montclair has its own amount of wild life and is a big sanctuary. Using that as an excuse for not going through with the extension is nothing more than crazy. All of the wild life in the county has been disturbed resulting with me having a bear in my back yard last year. It’s time everyone work together. This county is far larger than an 800 home development.

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John Deller 4 months ago

To that someone that sent me a personal email stating they would send me copies of the Four Seasons Proffers and the Master Zoning and Land Use Plan. Thank you for the offer, but please save yourself that time as I do have them.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

So then you're already aware of what was planned.

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Natasha Lewis 4 months ago

In full support of this project and agree with all of the sentiments in favor of building the extension. I have been a PWC resident for 44 years. Long overdue!! Build the road!

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Carol Ildebrando 4 months ago

As a resident of FSHV I am writing to express my opposition to the approval and funding of the Van Buren road extension. This proposed road will pass directly through FSHV, will result in a significant loss of mature trees, would increase vehicular traffic and noise. I strongly urge you to reject the Van Buren Road extension proposal.

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

Wrong. It will not pass directly through Four Seasons, so please save your alarmist words for facts. It will go through parcels that are not part of Four Seasons east of FSHV and west of I-95. The only part that would go onto Four Seasons is a parcel of common area that already has a dedicated right-of-way FOR that road, which the developer and the county agreed up on when the neighborhood was built. You can see the propose road on page 14 of this document:

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/insidenova.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/8c/88ca67ac-7330-11e9-8688-fb87e97c414e/5cd58ba6365f5.pdf.pdf

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John Deller 4 months ago

Alex, that is not the actual alignment, but a concept sketch the county developed for the project summary included in the comprehensive plan. The actual alignment is being established now by the owner of 3 of the parcels adjacent to Four Seasons. He is proposing the road be located as close as it can be to the Four Seasons property line as that minimizes the impact of the road on his parcels. We would prefer he locate the road adjacent to I-95, which is farthest from Four Seasons property line reducing the noise and loss of buffer, but that alignment takes more of his property and money to accomplish.

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Wallis Laurion 4 months ago

Montclair has been shouldering the burden of a growing county for far too long, one that new developments can’t understand or appreciate. It’s time our county leaders truly see the importance of the Van Buren Road Extension and care about Montclairion voices and the ramifications—both practical and safety—that exist should the this project not be completed. Our mature community and our collective voices have been present for decades and need to be understood and considered more now than ever. The many, many thousands of people that will benefit from the Van Buren Road Extension far outweigh the few hundred that may oppose it. The benefits will be immediate and long-lasting. This road is needed; that’s undeniable.

I’ve lived in Montclair for most of the last 35 years. Development—and by extension, population—in the county, particularly the eastern side of the county, has exploded in that time. Montclair, an older, established community with nearly 4,000 homes, was established 50 years ago. Many decades ago, Montclair and our main road/Waterway Drive was not planned or built to accommodate the thousands of vehicles that now cut through our neighborhood DAILY. Additional roads are desperately needed to ease this growing volume; not only is this the fair reality, it’s also common sense that as more homes are built such as Four Seasons, Copper Mill and Cardinal Grove, additional infrastructure/roadways are also added to absorb the increasing traffic volume. It’s baffling that this is even an issue. No one, even those in opposition, can deny that we, as citizens of eastern PWC, have traffic and roadway issues that need to be expeditiously addressed. One solution that has been on the table—that has ALREADY BEEN PLANNED—for many years is the Van Buren Road Extension. The county would be irresponsible and, frankly, reckless to not pass and implement the Van Buren Road Extension project.

Beyond my immediate traffic concerns, more importantly is my concern for the safety of my loved ones and neighbors. Every day, my young children and hundreds of other children in Montclair walk to and from one of our two elementary schools that are directly on Waterway Drive. By not completing the Van Buren Road Extension, an already congested Waterway Drive will become more so. Cut-through traffic will increase over time and so will the safety threat to our children and neighbors. Not only is the Van Buren Road Extension a needed and practical solution to our growing area, it will help ease and disperse heavy traffic across multiple roads instead of congesting Waterway Drive, solely, AND, more importantly, it will help mitigate safety concerns Montclairions have for our loved ones walking on Waterway Drive. Surely, many of those in opposition are themselves part of the problem cut-through traffic that Montclair has exponentially suffered with over the years and will continue to do so unless the Van Buren Road Extension is completed as planned, as I understand it should have been…

Opponents claim this new roadway would lower the quality of living to new communities. What about the quality of life Montclairions deserve? We’ve been here for decades longer than these new developments. Our Montclair population outnumbers the new developments that surround us. It’s time OUR welfare and our voices were considered. The Van Buren Road needs to be completed as originally promised. The county would overwhelmingly benefit from it. This is fact.

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

This is not an issue of what Montclair deserves and while you have valid points, it's not an "us vs. them" or "Montclair vs. Four Seasons" issue. It's what the entire county needs. I live in one of the neighborhoods off of Cardinal Drive and we do need additional north-south thoroughfares between Dale, Cardinal, and 234. That is a fact for everyone in the county as these additional neighborhoods get built.

Four Seasons is part of the problem, for sure. The developer built the houses but didn't follow through on the road. Any time houses are built, additional roads to accommodate the additional traffic flow should be part of the plan.

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Reece Collins 4 months ago

I would like to speak up in support of the Van Buren Road extension. There are two main reasons to support this project:

  1. It will simply ease congestion and improve traffic flow in the area. North/South traffic currently cuts through Montclair on Waterway Drive, causing a hazard for the many children who attend one of the two schools or go to one of the two parks that are on Waterway Drive. The Van Buren Road extension will relieve some of this traffic and provide a more efficient route for those who are traveling between 234 and Dale Blvd. This will take vehicles away from residential neighborhoods on a more direct route, and it will likely take local traffic off of I-95.

  2. This project has been promised for a very long time. It's understandable that the handful of residents in Four Seasons are opposed to this road. However, it's a fact that Four Seasons as a community would not exist had this Van Buren Road extension not been proffered. Another way to say it: Four Seasons exists as a result of the promise to build Van Buren Road extension. Given that more housing is currently being built in the area, the time is now to honor the promises that have been made, and complete this road.

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Alex Snyder 4 months ago

Reason #2 is the #1 reason this extension should be approved!

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Richard Underwood 4 months ago

four seasons has made no "promise" to build Van Buren Rd as you are defining . It only promised to allow a landlocked developer to build a road thru our property to access it thru the southern end and call it Van Buren. The issue now : is PWC going to use bond funds to continue the road north to Cardinal. ? Those closest to the extension and most affected should prevail.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Richard: The most affected are the thousands who would have better traffic flow with this extension. So I agree with you there. Build that road!

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James West 4 months ago

Improve traffic flow? please explain to me the way this will happen. The intersection of Van Buren and Rt 234 is a fixed resource. You can't push more traffic through this intersection. A Van Buren cut through will add many more cars and trucks to the flow of this intersection. If you want to see what will happen, just try to go from I-95 to Rt 1 at 5 p.m. The traffic from the commuter lot adds to the congestion taking up to 20 minutes to drive one mile.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Yes, when you put in a road, cars travel on it. When there are many cars traveling on few roads, and the roads get clogged. Adding a road makes traffic flow more. To say adding a new road would add more cars and trucks is to say building a bigger maternity ward would make more women pregnant. It doesn't make any sense but you've come up with this scenario as a way to support your opposition, but there's no logic here.

I don't understand what your point is. And there is not a commuter lot on this side of 95, so what exactly are you trying to say?

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Lucille Selfridge 4 months ago

Per the request of the Board of Supervisors, I'm happy to express my opinion. As a Four Seasons resident, I oppose the project due to loss of mature trees, increased noise, etc. I agree with everyone who has already stated their opposition. I strongly recommend that the project be dropped from the bond referendum.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

What about all the mature trees that were cut down as a result of your house being built?

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Evelyn Langman 4 months ago

I do not want thhisroad to have such a negative impact on 4 Seasons. It will seriously impact my home value and contribute excessive noise.

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Peter kwon 4 months ago

I don't agree with the project as proposed. The project has to be dropped out. i walk our community trail everyday with my wife. Now, I understand the project is to cut off into the middle of the trail. The trail is very important to maintain our health as a senior member in our senior community. The trail is not only for our private property, but it is being used by a large number of our community members as a part of daily life, for which the trail should not be disrupted.

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David Lavine 4 months ago

This project will only serve to cause even more congestion on 234 and Van Bruen, drawing traffic from Cardinal Drive and other areas seeking a shortcut. The project should be denied.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

if you run some models on in-flow and out-flow, you'd see those claims are incorrect.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

We'd better not build any more hospitals, because that would mean there would be more sick people.

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Steve McGibney 4 months ago

I support this project. It was preplanned before Four Seasons. A sound barrier should be included. There are too few alternatives to Rt, 1 and I-95, and our Montclair neighbors should not bear the brunt. I am concerned about the impact on wildlife. In our 16 years in this community, we've seen deer, foxes, raccoons, turtles, and turkeys along with rabbits, squirrels, snakes and bird predators. I desire that some thoughtful accommodation be given to balance the need for this road with the need to preserve the ecology.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Please Vote NO to the PWC Park and Road Bonds. PWC should be paying their teachers much better salaries for all the hard work they do. We should be paying for more STEM programs and teacher technology education programs so they feel entirely comfortable to work with robotics and other high technology, cyber and robotics programs. Our schools have stretched their budgets to be able to afford to send our students to some state and nationwide competitions that are blooming right now. Even so, one grandchild is a member of a great robotics team and the PWC high school said that they cannot afford to send the team to one of the national robotics competitions.

Right now, some of our teachers are having to take jobs as bus drivers in order to try to help to get our children to even get to school because of school bus driver shortages due to the availability of other better paying jobs right now. Perhaps someone can tell school board chair, Mr. Babur Lateef that we don’t need more new roads to get our kids to school when there may no bus drivers willing to take on the poor paying (yet hard job) of taking our kids to schools. Perhaps we can find the money to pay better salaries to bus drivers and to attract new ones. I don’t see parents who are working hard and commuting long hours willing to take on this task in their busy schedules. There would be a lot of yelling if that was suggested. We need to REPAIR the existing roads we have before we build new ones before the county builds new roads. The Feds will only make all of I-95 into an entire HOT paying system if the county is willing to build new roads to replace Federal highways. We need to keep the parks and fields we already have in better shape with new equipment and repair before approving a $200,000,000 bond to build MORE parks and facilities.

Lastly, don’t forget our massive federal deficit - $22 trillion and rising by more than $1 trillion each year. As a nation, we are broke. This over spending will adversely affect many things in the future. Our leaders have neglected to balance the national budget thanks to Congressional runaway spending habits. No use blaming either party, our deficit is too high and growing. This will have a trickle- down effect to the all of us via taxes and also negatively our county finances in the future.

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Geraldine Weeks 4 months ago

I strongly oppose the Van Buren road extension as planned. My concern is the volume of additional traffic that will congest on ft. 234 between 2:00 pm and 7:00 pm every day. Currently there is gridlock every day during this time.I suggest that members of the board and their staff observe or experience this gridlock before they cast a vote of approval. Thank you.

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Eric Fagerholm 4 months ago

Yes to referendum. Give the people a voice. Yes to Van Buren extension. Concur with Mr.Starai and Ms. Welch. Yes on anything that increases mobility and benefits parks. I commend and thank my Supervisor, Mrs. Caddigan, Chairman Stewart, and PWCS Chair Lateef for a well run public hearing. Thank you!

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William Selfridge 4 months ago

As a 16 year resident of the Four Seasons community, I have had the great pleasure of enjoying the natural beauty and the pleasures of nature that the community provides. I am against any development that will compromise what we have, including any loss of trees and increase in noise to build yet another intrusion into the community we purchased 16 years ago.

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James Cech 4 months ago

I'm concerned that this issue is generating stress between the communities of Montclair and Four Seasons. The opening of Waterway Drive was done as a temporary connection between Cardinal Dr. and route 234, to support emergency services to the developing communities on 234. The Van Buren extension was on the long range plan. This activity pre dates the development of Four Seasons, Ashland and Brittaney and the widening of Route 234 and Cardinal Drive.. The 35 MPH speed limit on Waterway Drive was never changed but is ignored by 80% of the cut through traffic. Montclair concerns center on Waterway servicing three elementary schools worth of walkers. The Waterway Drive "access" was presented and updated yearly as a temporary solution until Van Buren was completed. The proffer for the Four Seasons parkland clearly included the Van Burn road easement. The County could have retained that property and built a large lighted ball field. I proposed that the Bond include three provisions. to address the Montclair need and the Four Seasons concerns: 1. No thru trucks from Dale City BLVD to route 234. This will stop traffic skipping around the truck weigh station. 2. A sound barrier be built between I-95 the length of the truck rest area. This will help mitigate the increase road noise from the loss of trees. 3. Amend the County ordnance provision that allows clear cutting of easements to save as many tress as possible. Everyone can see, and Four Seasons residents rightly fear, what was done at Copper Mill Estates on Route 234. I would encourage the Montclair and Four Seasons communities to form a joint committee to advise the County on a solution that the majority can support.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Your ideas all sound great to me, Jim! Thank you for all the additional background information. I'd love to be part of a committee should one form.

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James Cech 4 months ago

You missed two important points. 1. VA is a property rights state. Once it is zoned for development the developer has an absolute right to build access to his property. Search on the history of the Hilton chapel and you will see the funds for that actually came as a "donation" from the developers award from the VA Supreme Court after he successfully sued PWC for interfering with his development of Dale City. 2. The developer is being asked to share the cost of the completed road by building the first two lanes. This is not a done deal so your comments about being driven by the developer are not factual.

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Eric Fagerholm 4 months ago

Yes to citizens allowed to vote. Yes to Van Buren extension.

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angela anderson 4 months ago

we live in the Four Seasons community and bought a house there because of its tranquility and safety being a gated community. I feel the building of a 4-way highway right behind my house is an incredible injustice to this community and its citizens. Yes, I work and travel on I 95 and see the need for roads. But rather than destroying my neighborhood continue to expand Rt1 all the way down to Stafford County. We already hear the noise from 95 and now have at least trees to create a buffer. That will be gone. The wildlife will be gone and houses will lose their value. We went to the meeting and the board made it all good looking; however, we know what will happen. Taxes will go up, and the standard of living goes down for all of us. However, I'm aware that our voices most likely will not being heard; therefore, if you must destroy everything at least build a barrier wall between this road and Four Seasons to eliminate some of the noise and pollution and to keep folks that don't belong in this neighborhood out of it. Please reconsider building this project. Additionally, I would like to emphasize spending all this money for field houses etc., etc. ensure PWC police officers and fire fighters receive decent pay increases, get more officers hired and have decent facilities. They keep us safe and it seems like no one cares. I know from experience. Thank you!

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John Deller 4 months ago

Jim, I wish the three provisions you propose could be adopted as part of the bond referendum. I would add a fourth, to force the road alignment as close as allowed to the I-95 side of the applicable parcels. Alas, I don't think any of this can be done, either because there is not sufficient time for it to work through the system, or because it's my understanding the Supervisors don't have the decision authority on it. One by one: 1. 3 of the parcels are zoned light industrial and the owner of two of those parcels plans to build warehouses on them. I see no way the county can prevent him or anyone else from driving 18 wheelers on Van Buren Rd.; 2. The road is to be built with both private and county bond money. Neither type will pay for building sound barriers. Only federal money builds sound barriers. If we can't ban trucks, we need sound barriers the entire length from Cardinal to Rt 234, a significant expense. 3. The problem is not clear cutting the easements. The problem is clear cutting the buffer all the way to the property line, which is allowed by the County DCSM Section 800 when grading of the terrain is the issue. This happened to Four Seasons when the Lidls store was built on our southern boundary. It's a disaster for the homeowners that live along that boundary. I seriously doubt the county would take action to change the DCSM to not allow mature trees within the buffer to be cut down under the limits of the DCSM. If forming a joint committee between Montclair and Four Seasons could make all these things happen, I'd definitely vote for that. But based on my understandings, I don't think such a committee could be successful.

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Well said John.

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Linda Trotter 4 months ago

I oppose the Van Buren extension proposal as planned. There are only 6 55+ single family house communities in Prince William County. I believe that our senior citizen communities deserve and should be preserved and protected. The Van Buren extension as shown will open up Four Seasons to more noise, cut through our nature trails, and add to security concerns. Many of our residents enjoy walking the nature trails for much needed exercise, fresh air and quiet to reduce stress. As planned this extension would cut through our nature trails in 2 places. Many of our residents use walkers, or mobile devices on these trails. This would make the nature trails useless for many Four Seasons residents. Also by cutting down the wooded buffer area around Four Seasons opens up areas of easy access for crimes. I think there could be a better solution to the traffic concerns than the one proposed in this project as planned.

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Angelo DiMascio 4 months ago

The continuing destruction of forest land and natural barriers to noise pollution to benefit some industrialist is neither cost-effective or ecologically justifiable. The expenditure of $70 M (Probably more given past history of these type of projects!) at time when funding shortfalls prevent the implementation of higher priority projects is unconscionable!

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John Parez 4 months ago

I oppose the Van Buren Road extension proposal. My wife and I have lived in Four Seasons since 2004. We already have significant noise and air pollution coming from I-95 and Route 234. We are fortunate that there is a natural buffer of trees to attenuate some of those impacts. Removing the trees and adding another major thoroughfare adjacent to our eastern perimeter will exacerbate the adverse impacts on Four Seasons as well as the environment as a whole. Safety and security will be compromised, home values impacted and quality of life degraded. I request the Board of Supervisors reject this proposed highway project.

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LLOYD CURTIS 4 months ago

There are numerous residents Four Seasons Historic Virginia, who oppose the action of the county funding the proposed Van Buren Road cutting through the Four Seasons community, as well as the planned usage of the land adjacent to the proposed Van Buren Road. Though most would agree that growth should be a priority for the county, it should be not at the expense of successful and 5-star communities. Four Seasons residents believe that it is necessary to build Van Buren Road to provide relief to Waterway and handle congestion on I-95, however, the routing of the road and the use of the land, which it cuts needs to be changed. Residents accept the concept of smart growth is vital, but the proposed road should not cut across the existing natural trail of Four Seasons Historic Virginia. Instead, the county should construct an alternative road that will not cut across the natural trail. This area is in a natural state and home to natural vegetation and small animals. The residents enjoy the pristine environment, as they have their walks with their pets. A road cutting across the nature trail be unsightly and the movement of vehicles will create noise and air pollution from vehicles and especially trucks. Even if previous agreements (Four Seasons Proffers) would permit the road to cut across the natural trail, county planners should find a more satisfactory alternative.
The current zoning and planned use for the lands between Four Seasons Historic Virginia and I-95 is much more serious and has much greater implications. It is a serious mistake to develop and construct a truck depot/warehouse in this area. As proposed, this project will mean the cutting of most of the existing trees between Four Seasons Historic Virginia and I-95. Removal of the trees will mean much more noise from the traffic on I-95 and the new buildings will be visible to the residents. Such a project will mean trucks dropping trailers 24 hours a day. These actions will create noise, especially during the nights when it is normally quiet in the community. Within a few years of establishment of a truck depot/warehouse, the area will attract rats and rodents, thieves and vandalism. This use will be poor use of the space and will devalue the existing houses in the area. The residents purchased homes in the community because of the natural environment with plenty of trees, and peaceful area. The roar of diesel engines and the movement of freight will replace peace and tranquility in Four Seasons Historic Virginia. While the residents reject the idea of trucks and trailers traffic in the area, they support rezoning and creating other uses for the land. Creation of mixed housing would be the best use of the land including town houses and single family homes, which would best complement existing housing in Montclair, Four Seasons Historic Virginia and Copper Mill Estates. Alternatively, office buildings could supplement residential housing. Many military contractors and engineering firms desire office premises close to the military installation at Quantico and other military contractors. Another possible could be to install large data centers. These facilities are large buildings, which have few people coming and going. Normally, few people are required to operate them, and once construction is completed, there are very few deliveries. These are options, which would be much more acceptable for the residents. The county must consider these ideas, which would allow for smart growth, growth in the overall tax base and complement existing communities in the area. Due to the current opposition, the county must not support funding this project, but develop new concepts, which will gain acceptance with existing residents of Four Seasons Historic Virginia.

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Antonina Nuzzo 4 months ago

I am opposed to the Van Buren Road Extension project when considering the noise from the traffic, removal of trees and also the disruption of Four Seasons Nature Trail. Has anyone considered the traffic on Dale Blvd. when the tractor trailers will be allowed to cut thru? It comes to a standstill now. Also, please consider these trucks going by Fanny Fitzgerald Elementary School. The intersection at Four Seasons and 234 has become dangerous as trucks go thru the red light on a daily basis. Another consideration is how will the trucks be allowed to avoid the weigh station?

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William Gretchen May 4 months ago

Trucks (18 wheelers mainly) routinely run the @#$ & Four Seasons Blvd. And I've never seen them stopped by PWC's finest. Where oh where are the police when we need them.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Four Seasons Blvd is a private road, correct? If you have the luxury of a private road, you don't get the publicly-funded police to patrol it -- unless your Association dues go towards funding them while working off-duty. My tax dollars don't get allocated to patrol private roads for which I do not have access.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

I also oppose the Van Buren extension. The sad part is it is tied to the 123 proposal. Throw it all together to conflate the issue, a typical political trick.

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James West 4 months ago

Although there are many arguments for and against the Van Buren extension, I believe the most compelling argument is the FACT that there will be a great increase in the traffic at the light at Van Buren and Rt 234. This will generate a massive traffic bottleneck with cut through commuters and 18 wheelers. I live in Four Seasons and already am bothered by I-95 noise. I shudder to think of the noise increase with a large volume of traffic through Van Buren.

Several years ago I asked my board of supervisors representative about a sound wall. I was told the county doesn't build sound walls.

I am firmly opposed to the through extension of Van Buren.

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James West 4 months ago

I am dismayed by the uncivil comments made by many of the supporters of the Van Buren extension. If you can't get your point across without repetition and insults, you don't have much of a point.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Other than Ms. Buttersworth, where are the insults?

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Mike Davenport 4 months ago

I oppose the funding of the extension of Van Buren Road and its inclusion in the bond referendum scheduled for the 19 November ballot. The proposed road would significantly degrade the quality of life for all residents of The Four Seasons, especially those of us nearest the construction. Imagine removing the lush forest which currently serves as both a sound and visual barrier from
I-95. Then picture large trucks traversing the new 4-lane road at high speed and all hours of the day and night. The increase in noise and air pollution along with increased security and safety issues are just a few of our concerns. The increased traffic on Rte 234 should also be of concern as trucks use the new route to by-pass the truck scales on I-95. The proposed road extension will also cut our development's nature trail in two places, destroying this treasured place of respite. The Prince William County Strategic Plan includes in its goals promoting wellbeing for individuals and families and providing a safe and secure community. These goals would be violated for the residents of our small community and the residents near the proposed road extension on Cardinal. We invite you to visit or community and see firsthand the areas that would be devastated by the Van Buren Road extension.

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WW Shilton 4 months ago

No to the Van Buren Road extension!

It’s a gift of our tax dollars to the contractor who wants a direct line to his warehouse. Nothing more.

It’s too expensive and the county will not benefit. More people object to the expansion than want it and we objectors have sound reasons.

The surrounding area has already taken hits. The Lidl store has created many unintended consequences including trash blowing everywhere. The Coppermill development has decreased our green space and this will decrease it even more.

Those most affected by the road have a right and responsibility to try to keep their neighborhood safe.

The county estimates it will take 4-6 years of construction. That’s a long time of mud, noise, traffic congestion, diesel air pollution due to heavy equipment. No one deserves that.

And, as far as County plans go, they are changed all the time. That’s why the county requests citizen input.

If this road does go through, it should be a toll road.

PWC citizens should not be taxed to subsidize a road so a handful of people and a wealthy contractor benefit at the expense of others.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

Those "most affected by this road" are the thousands of commuters who would benefit from this extension. I sincerely doubt that more people object to the expansion than want it -- the only difference is there are more Four Seasons residents POSTING her than others. That doesn't represent actual numbers.

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James West 4 months ago

Joellen, You are very vocal on this board in favor of the Van Buren extension. You reference "studies" and "modeling". Are you a professional traffic engineer or a county employee?

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

James, that is my background and education and I have several software packages on my home computer for professional development, volunteer work, and personal use; but I work for a different organization.

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Mona Phillips 4 months ago

Chairman at-large Corey A. Stewart and the Prince William Supervisors continuously perform honorable feats. We appreciate your time and efforts.

We are concerned however, regarding the mobility and park referenda as it is at present. The new County Supervisors we are getting will not have had time to study a bond of this magnitude. Now is vacation time and the taxpayers have not been fully educated in this matter. Specifically the Van Buren Road extension.

We are looking forward to a great relief by having the Occoquan - I-95 S corridor and Route 1 corrected.

Regards,

Edward and Mona Phillips

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James West 4 months ago

Follow the money. Who benefits financially by the gift of taxpayer funds. One point ignored by everyone. We in Four Seasons pay the same property tax rate as everyone in the county. We require no additional schools, parks and other costly services. We pay the same taxes as those on state maintained roads but we maintain our own roads.

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Wallis Laurion 4 months ago

Bottom line, the many, many thousands of people that will benefit from the Van Buren Road Extension far outweigh the few hundred that may oppose it. The benefits will be immediate and long-lasting. This extension is needed and overdue.

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Joyce Rath 4 months ago

Honestly if the Supervisors really want this road give us the sound barrier, figure it out!

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Jean Westcott 4 months ago

I am writing in support of the Van Buren extension. With the continued construction of homes in the area south of Dale Boulevard there are communities being created with the only north-south routes with access to Route 234 are US1 and Waterway. Waterway Drive isn't a straight road, it is a winding road with multiple crosswalks in a residential neighborhood. Over the years whenever there have been major traffic incidents on 95 the entirety of east coast traffic through the area has had to choose between US1 and Waterway as the only alternatives. We need this road.

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MARY BECKWITH 4 months ago

We at Four Seasons Community were not told of any agreement with PWC and the builder of any adverse changes to our community that would lower property values, change sound barriers of trees and cut into our nature trails. We should have been informed of this by the county and the builder. We are not happy with the projected changes to our beloved community!!!! Van Buran Road can stay the way it is.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

But the documentation all exists and is available to the public. It is up to the prospective homeowner to do their research.

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Bill Lidell 4 months ago

What’s wrong with the 70 million dollar Van Buren road extension bond issue? As of today, within walking distance of the only entrance/exit at Four Seasons, Dumfries, there are: 9 motels, 11 fast food restaurants, 6 gas stations (+ one 7/11 w/o gas), a military medical facility, emergency care, the Fortuna shopping center (Target, Panera’s, Starbucks, Shoppers+ other businesses), a new Lidl supermarket, Mt.Zion church (across the street from us, and a very good neighbor), a church with 4,000 members. Nearby, Walmart expansion, Rte 1 widening, Potomac Shores housing and golf resort. A great many of these businesses have been opened since Four Seasons opened. And now, a push to increase the traffic and possibly the reasons for more businesses to want to locate here. Because we don’t live within a single named community, such as Montclair, doesn’t mean we don’t have 1,000’s of residents who will be adversely affected by this extension. All will be affected by the increase and changes in flow of traffic. Mainly those living in Four Seasons, Copper Mill, and our neighbors to the north at the other end of the Van Buren “extension, at Cardinal Grove. Also, folks living in Brittany, and other housing sections in our neighborhood, including Montclair. The idea seems to be to run a 4 lane highway near the back yards of Four Seasons homes, destroy a great deal of the remaining forest, build that “Light Industry” project, which will require access to vehicles at all hours of the day and night, and open up our doors to whoever and whatever gets to move down that road. Increase in crime? I have heard several estimates of what the decrease in property values will be for the residents of Four Seasons, anywhere from 5 to 15%. Great way to treat a bunch of retired seniors living on fixed incomes. On Rte. 234 in the Dumfries area, at certain times of day, we have a line of left turning cars attempting to turn onto Van Buren that can reach from 1-95 to Van Buren Rd. Cars turning in for fast food, medical care, local businesses and housing along Van Buren. At several times during the day, we have what is approaching grid lock from I-95 to Country Club Drive. All of that traffic, west or east bound passes right by our only entrance/exit to Four Seasons. To date, my wife and I have experienced 2 incidences where cars traveling at upwards of 50 mph have blown through, totally ignored, RED lights on 234, even after all other cars going in their direction have already been stopped, and our cars are beginning to cross those lanes. How would it feel to be T-boned by a car or truck doing 50mph? It’s not unusual to see large trucks, especially some of that gaggle of dump trucks that are constantly running up and down 234, also blow through, not yellow lights, but already turned RED lights. That’s what is happening on our doorstep. Our neighbors in Montclair do have a problem. Although I suspect that a good part of the traffic on Waterway is generated by local Montclair residents and school traffic, along with the rush hour commuters, I believe there are solutions to alleviate some of those problems. Reduced and enforced speed limit to 25mph on a permanent basis, especially within the school areas. Additional police enforcement for speeders. Cameras if needed. Speed bumps in critical areas. These are solutions that have worked in other communities. We are living in contentious times. There is no reason that residents of all our communities can’t come to an agreement on how to handle this traffic increase. We live in a county that seems driven to increase development, which means a need for a new concentration on “current resident” friendly infrastructure solutions. Don’t just throw money at the problem. Let’s not talk about proffers and talk more about how to satisfy everyone. Bill Lidell, Four Seasons

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

I'm not sure what red light runners have to do with supporting your point. People who run red lights are wrong, for sure. But they will run red lights whether there is a Van Buren extension or not. What does one have to do with the other?

The state has already informed Montclairions that because it is a four-lane road, the speed limit will on Waterway will not be reduced. Speed bumps are also NOT an option, because the county will not build them. In addition, Waterway is a snow emergency route and speed bumps hinder plowing efforts. It's a main route for emergency vehicles and speed bumps hinder response times. If you think the citizens and board of Montclair haven't requested those accommodations time and time again only to be told "no," that's far from reality.

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Jean Thompson 4 months ago

I support the Van Buren road extension. While I appreciate and value the concerns of neighbors who feel the traffic will be a cut through in their neighborhood, I also support better infrastructure. The BOCS has approved multiple projects without supporting corresponding infrastructure that has led to increased traffic congestion in other areas throughout PWC. IMO, the BOCS has a responsibility to support and fund infrastructure if they support increased commercial and family dwellings. If the Van Buren extension is not approved as was already planned, traffic will increase and continue to cause difficulties for all residents of PWC. I support measures such as no truck traffic on the extension, as well as noise barriers if necessary, to address the concerns of residents affected by this extension.

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Joseph Perez 4 months ago

I support the Van Buren Road extension. As a home owner in Prince William County, I am in favor of all infrastructure projects that help to alleviate traffic and move people around Northern Virginia. The solution to move people around this growing area requires a multifaceted approach. This is one of many, many projects that will in time help to reduce traffic and help mobility in the area. With recent developments such as Potomac Shores and other housing developments, there needs to be more north/south options for residents besides Route 1 and Waterway Drive to get home. Waterway Drive is a residential road with elementary schools, cross walks, homes and stop signs. It's not designed to be the only alternate option to Route 1. All residents, in all communities share the responsibility for helping to bring better flow for commuters. This is the nature of this area. It's a major transportation hub of activity. We need the Van Buren option as well as many other projects to help facilitate movement of cars and people in and around this area. As the population grows, so should our infrastructure.

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John Avelis 4 months ago

I’m strongly in favor of the Van Buren extension. For years, the BOCS have been approving new housing developments along the 234 and I-95 corridors (which is normal and expected in a growing community), without making commensurate investments in north-south infrastructure - which is absolutely government malpractice.

As a result, residents living along roads such as Route 1, Waterway Dr., and even Spriggs Rd are already forced to deal with inordinate cut-through traffic, not to mention what goes on along neighborhoods in Dumfries, dale city and Woodbridge; Rt. 1 is at a near standstill many afternoons. Residents along other roads in the eastern part of the county deal with either dangerous near-raceway conditions on their front doorstep as people treat neighborhood roads as extensions of the expressway; or, when 95 backs up, they find themselves immobilized and their own neighborhood becoming a parking lot.

The VanBuren extension is not an issue affecting just one development, or of one road “becoming a cuthrough,” because the cuthroughs already exist and too many of us live along them. It’s diminishing the quality of life for residents throughout the eastern part of the county. If the need for another north-south street isn’t addressed, the constant influx of new residents and new cars will result in even less mobility and even more dangerous conditions for the people already living along north-south connectors.

I don’t like putting this in terms of personal wealth; but without the infrastructure to support the county’s growth in population, any gains that are made in one community’s property values will be more than offset as everyone else’s diminish. Who will want a house in the county’s new and existing developments if they can’t drive to them without sitting through unreasonable traffic?

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Diane Daly 4 months ago

This decision is the very definition of no-brainer. Yes, this Van Buren extension MUST be approved. The numerous new developments have put a massive strain on an already inadequate infrastructure - including Four Seasons, Copper Mill, and the many other developments lining 234 from Route 1 to Minnieville Road. it's ridiculous to believe that more and more and more housing can be put up without roads to manage the increases in populations in the 234 corridor. The Van Buren Extension was approved years ago, and it was part of the reasoning behind approval for one of the developments in which many opponents reside. It's not going to "decrease quality of life" - the Extension is a necessary and critical expansion that must be undertaken immediately. And, once the extension is approved, then there needs to be a serious halt to further approval of housing developments along the 234 corridor. Enough is enough. Build the road; stop the insanity; use common sense. Approve the Van Buren Extension.

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Larry Cartier 4 months ago

I am in support of the Van Buren road extension.

Additional roads that take any burden off cut through traffic in Montclair would be welcome. The Van Buren road extension was planned several years ago, and needs to be completed. The additional homes built in Four Seasons, Copper Mill and Cardinal Grove, along with the cut through traffic has significantly impacted Montclair and Eastern Prince William County. It's time to add the infrastructure to support the traffic in the area. The Van Buren extension is long overdue, and will be a welcome addition to the current roads in place.

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Patrick Michael 4 months ago

As a long time resident of PWC I support the Van Buren road extension. I've been a resident of Dale City, Lake Ridge, and Montclair since 1985 and witnessed the massive growth this area has experienced. Other than main roads and arteries being expanded, I feel little has been done responsibly to address all the congestion caused by all the new residential and commercial developments. This area needs more roadways to disperse traffic instead of funneling more cars onto existing roads. Van Buren needs to be built in a responsible manner. It has the potential to help alleviate the already congested Rt.1, Waterway, and Spriggs. This is very much needed.

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WW Shilton 4 months ago

This road extension will seriously harm people near it and provide no benefit to the county.

How could it? We'll still be overrun with traffic. This relatively short road will not change that.

The wait time will be longer at the light at 234 and Van Buren. There will be large trucks that should not be so close to residential areas. The construction will cause misery for those close to it for 4-6 years. And more misery from the roadway after that.

Montclair residents will still have drivers using their (publicly maintained) roads. It makes no sense to tax PWC citizens to change Van Buren. It’s a total waste of money.

The only actual beneficiary is one wealthy contractor, whose warehouse will be more convenient for him to access.

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Joellen Welch 4 months ago

What evidence-based research have you conducted to reach these conclusions?

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Clare Falcone 4 months ago

I support the extension. It was promised to county residents years ago when the development of Four Seasons was approved, and it is badly needed to relieve traffic on other roads, including Waterway Drive. As the county adds more homes and residents, it is imperative to improve infrastructure to accommodate the extra cars on the road.

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Arthur Pedersen 4 months ago

It is an absolute no-brainer that the Van Buren extension needs to be built now. The states inability to widen the free lanes on I-95 means the only way Prince William Residents can support the future Amazon expansion will be to increase north/south roadways. Heck, a case can be made to build a six lane road. As for the residents of Four Seasons, route 234 was a two lane road, with one stop light between the interstate and Montclair. That was 25 years ago. Now, 234 is a busy thriving roadway that is only going to get busier in the next 20 years. The other reality is that whether its a badly needed road, or more businesses or apartment complexes, the land is going to be developed. Its already zoned for development. So just be glad before long, we'll be able to enter Prince William Forest Park from route 234.

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Phill Throckmorton 4 months ago

I support the extension!

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Linda ChengKhan 4 months ago

I wholeheartedly support the Van Buren extension. Continued growth in this county has left our roads terribly congested. Any means to alleviate the congestion is desperately needed. More housing equates to more cars, expanding roads such as the Van Buren extension will provide much needed infrastructure.

The Van Buren road was always intended to go through from Cardinal Drive to 234 — make good on this promise to the residents in the area. The development of Four Seasons includes plans for this Van Buren extension. The opposition from a few within Four Seasons doesn’t even compare how to desperately needed this extension is for the greater area, thousands of county residents would benefit significantly with the Van Buren extension.

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Sasha Andersson 4 months ago

Please approve the Van Buren extension. continued growth in this county has left our roads terribly congested. Any means to alleviate the congestion is desperately needed. More housing equates to more cars, expanding roads such as the Van Buren extension will provide much needed infrastructure.

The Van Buren road was always intended to go through from Cardinal Drive to 234 — make good on this promise to the residents in the area.

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Greg Hibbard 4 months ago

Please approve the Van Buren Extension. This was always a part of the land development deal for the area and should have never been halted. I support the Van Buren Extension!

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Deshundra Jefferson 4 months ago

While I understand the concerns of those who live in Four Seasons, extending Van Buren Road is a critical safety issue for Montclair. We are a large, family-oriented community with access to three elementary schools within our boundaries. Far too many drivers ignore the speed limits when using Waterway as a cut-through, even when the school speed zone limits are in effect. A number of families have fought for a traffic light or other traffic-calming measures to no avail. The safety of our children and others at risk. Please fund the Van Buren Road extension.

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Kai Michaels 4 months ago

I support the Van Buren Road extension.

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Katie Phillips 4 months ago

Yes on the Van Buren extension. From a county planning standpoint, I think everyone can agree that for traffic to flow, greater access is required. As Van Buren has been on the long term county plan for years, before all the new housing, it is clear from a planning standpoint they understood this. I will reserve my comments regarding the approval of housing without requiring the developers to build up the infrastructure. PWC cannot support these developments without additional infrastructure.

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Mary Mahler 4 months ago

I oppose the Van Buren extension. The extension will cause a significant increase in traffic on Dale Boulevard between I95 and Bonita Fitzgerald and then on Cardinal and Bonita Fitzgerald. That area already has a significant amount of traffic. The extension will then also cause another significant increase in traffic at the south end at Route 234. The traffic on Route 234 has significantly increased in the last few years with the developments that have been built. The traffic at Dale Boulevard, Bonita Fitzgerald and Cardinal and the at Dumfries Road will explode with this extension. The future development for homes, shopping, churches, and offices that are already planned will also increase the traffic and noise.
Please vote NO for this extension.

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Bob Ellis 4 months ago

I live in Four Seasons and strongly oppose to the extension of the Van Buren Road. I apologize for my late entry but I was trying to get through the almost two hundred posts in this discussion. Granted, many were duplicates and some were snipes directed at the opposing side that didn't add anything positive to the discussion.

Even though there are several valid reasons for not proceeding with this project, my main concern is the traffic. It is going to be a total mess unless the intersection at 234 and Van Buren doesn't have a major upgrade. If this project proceeds, I would recommend this be accomplished first. Adding to the increase of truck and bypass traffic is the planned expansion of the Quantico Center from 3 to 5 phases. Additional businesses are being planned to include a Marriott Hotel. Also across Van Buren from the Quantico Center there will be even more development.

As far as this road extension relieving the traffic on Waterway, I don't see that happening. It is a state road and people will continue to use it. Maybe even more now to avoid the truck traffic and bottleneck at 234 and Van Buren.

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